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Been there, done that, full HT setup, subs, etc. Wires everywhere, hours spent agonizing over components and then tweaking them. I'd like to go simple this time around: a full tower 2.0 speaker setup.

OK, maybe 3.0 with a center speaker, though I'd like to start with a 2.0 I currently have a Denon 3808 AVR with a full 5.1 Definitive Technology ProMonitor 800 setup, but it's getting moved to a different room. I used to have a B&W CDM SE setup -- ah what a mistake to sell them (not by choice though). I'm looking for good full tower speaker recommendations that could offer a decent movie watching experience. To give you an idea, I'm looking at the likes of HTD Towers Level 2 or 3, the Pioneer SP-FS52-LR Andrew Jones and. What else should I be considering?

Been there, done that, full HT setup, subs, etc. Wires everywhere, hours spent agonizing over components and then tweaking them. I'd like to go simple this time around: a full tower 2.0 speaker setup. OK, maybe 3.0 with a center speaker, though I'd like to start with a 2.0 I currently have a Denon 3808 AVR with a full 5.1 Definitive Technology ProMonitor 800 setup, but it's getting moved to a different room.

I used to have a B&W CDM SE setup -- ah what a mistake to sell them (not by choice though). I'm looking for good full tower speaker recommendations that could offer a decent movie watching experience. To give you an idea, I'm looking at the likes of HTD Towers Level 2 or 3, the Pioneer SP-FS52-LR Andrew Jones and. What else should I be considering? Consider the PSB Imagine series. Wonderful, small form factor towers. We did just what you are contemplating - went down to 2.1.

Higher quality sound from a smaller number of speakers wins. Not to mention the hassle factor. In our case we used PSB Imagine monitors (wall mounted) with a PSB sub, but the towers (could) eliminate the need for the sub.

My concern was that dialogue would be washed out and we would have to get a center. Not the case. Dialogue is better than ever. I attribute this simply to sound quality. Yes centers are VERY important they lock speech to the middle, and help in panning. As for glossy speakers, they look nice but relfections might be distracting.

As for towers with subs, you have problems of multiple bass sources, and require sending full-range to the speakers, so the amp is still reproducing full range. I do know Def Tech have floorstander with sub design. I would probably prefer something like Kef R500 with dedicated sub, rather than Def tech BP 2006 I would buy a decent sub to compliment your mains, whether you have floorstanders or standmounts. I own standmounts and towers, both hifi and home theatre have subs. I would say in music system, a sub isn't essential if your mains go down low enough and right type for the room.

Ie booshelf speakers in a large room with no sub would sound very bass shy, you'd need a sub. But towers, in a medium sized room (for music) should be fine. But when it comes to home theatre, always add a sub. Yes centers are VERY important they lock speech to the middle, and help in panning.

As for glossy speakers, they look nice but relfections might be distracting. As for towers with subs, you have problems of multiple bass sources, and require sending full-range to the speakers, so the amp is still reproducing full range.

I do know Def Tech have floorstander with sub design. I would probably prefer something like Kef R500 with dedicated sub, rather than Def tech BP 2006 I would buy a decent sub to compliment your mains, whether you have floorstanders or standmounts. I own standmounts and towers, both hifi and home theatre have subs. I would say in music system, a sub isn't essential if your mains go down low enough and right type for the room. Ie booshelf speakers in a large room with no sub would sound very bass shy, you'd need a sub. But towers, in a medium sized room (for music) should be fine. But when it comes to home theatre, always add a sub.

For the most part I agree about the center channel and for single a sweet spot a phantom center channel can work. A poorly placed center channel is often the weak link in a HT setup. There are very few true full range speakers. The ones in my setup play very strong down to 15hz but that extension comes at a price (size ). In other words, they aren't good for small HT or living room deployments. So a full tower speaker with a sub, where would you cross them?

Or do you set the speakers to full anyway and get bass from the speakers and the sub too? I think I have my ProMonitor 800 crossed at 100Hz but of course those are small speakers so the sub does all the work. Would a full tower be a 'waste' if you pass the lows to the sub anyway? But I'll have to go full tower, the Mrs. Wants something that looks more like furniture than speaker stands. Not sure how the 'room' will affect my setup as it's actually not a room, a very open living room area that leads to the family room, plus has a couple of hallways.

So for good sound it's probably far from ideal, but that's OK I learned to stop obsessing over the perfect sound or setup and instead enjoy the content with a decent enough setup. So a full tower speaker with a sub, where would you cross them? Or do you set the speakers to full anyway and get bass from the speakers and the sub too?

I think I have my ProMonitor 800 crossed at 100Hz but of course those are small speakers so the sub does all the work. Would a full tower be a 'waste' if you pass the lows to the sub anyway? But I'll have to go full tower, the Mrs. Wants something that looks more like furniture than speaker stands. What is your real max budget - and can you really do a sub with a tower? Full towers are expensive and claiming to go low, and being able to do so is another thing. Some towers with built in subs, can be boomy and mushy sounding.

How you cross a tower to a sub, is subjective and would also be preference. I'm flexible, let's say around $800-$1000 for a good speaker setup with or without sub. Speakers I think are worth 'investing' in, they can last for many years, they don't need to be upgraded because standard X or Y has arrived (e.g. HDMI 2.0, 4K, 3D, etc.) I had a very nice set of B&W CDM SEs about 10 yrs ago and I think they would have been fine to this day if well cared for.

I miss them, but life took me to living in smaller places and didn't want to just put them in public storage, they were BIG, the center channel was a monster sitting on top of a Sony XBR CRT TV -- the good old days:-) For an AVR to go with them something around $400-500. But I'd like something modern with the current features, I usually keep my gear for many years so it's not worth buying used with older features (my Denon 3808CI is 7+ yrs old and still going strong -- fingers crossed). Interested in the Boston M250 and Infinity Primus P363. How do I know which center channels pair with them, should I decide to get one? Subs don't seem to be that affordable:-( I'm not sure I want to spend $500 on a sub.

I have the Def Tech ProSub 800, I wonder if I can make use of it and get some cheaper sub for the room where the old setup is going. What's a good budget sub to look? Another ProSub 800? To me it was plenty, I don't need couch shaking subs, plus with full towers they may be able to help too, or do they? Interested in the Boston M250 and Infinity Primus P363. How do I know which center channels pair with them, should I decide to get one? Subs don't seem to be that affordable:-( I'm not sure I want to spend $500 on a sub.

I have the Def Tech ProSub 800, I wonder if I can make use of it and get some cheaper sub for the room where the old setup is going. What's a good budget sub to look?

Another ProSub 800? To me it was plenty, I don't need couch shaking subs For something like the Boston, I would not go anything less than the HSU STF-2 subwoofer It will out perform the Definitive Pro 800 subwoofer. For the M250 - and a center channel >>1 ea Boston M25, if you can place vertical If you can not go vertical - then the RS244c center channel - it will have the same tweeter type as the M series speakers The regular horizontal Boston M-center has a BMR tweeter, which I am not a fan of - plus it is expensive. The speakers with the EWB dimple dome tweeter would be the preference. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For Infinity - the centers are >>The PC351 The PC251.

I keep going back to the HTD site, I kinda like that Macassar Ebony finish, at least in pictures, not sure how nice it is in practice. Sound wise, am I crazy to consider a package from them: Level 2 towers, center and their sub just to match them all? I'm reading very positive things about their customer support and service and I do like to support such companies as opposed to the big names that send you canned support answers, if you are lucky to even get a reply. And at some point, I may be able to add two rears in-wall from them, when we are ready to do some painting in the room and make a mess with the in-wall install (hang the flat screen on the wall at the same time too). Of course, I could just start with their 2 towers and see how I like them and perhaps add the rest later, though would I do the towers injustice if I don't have a center and a sub to help them?

I keep going back to the HTD site, I kinda like that Macassar Ebony finish, at least in pictures, not sure how nice it is in practice. Sound wise, am I crazy to consider a package from them: Level 2 towers, center and their sub just to match them all? I'm reading very positive things about their customer support and service and I do like to support such companies as opposed to the big names that send you canned support answers, if you are lucky to even get a reply. HTD is nice - their customer support is good - they are built well and sound good. For me, Boston is my preference due to the high quality sound level and performance you get, with the real good special pricing. However, you will not lose with HTD or Infinity - and I prefer HTD over Infinity. I wonder how much I would miss a sub -- I have kids who go to bed early and don't want to wake them up while watching movies.

I'm not into window shaking bass anyway. I'm just after something that sounds decent, a step above the speaker bars + sub setups which I'm sure the Mrs would be OK with too, but I'm not. Start with some new speakers - and use the sub you have for now, if you desire. It is not about what people want for you - it is what you can live with, and is all around best for you. You can always expand to a new sub in the future.

I wonder how much I would miss a sub. I'm not into window shaking bass anyway. I'm just after something that sounds decent, a step above the speaker bars + sub setups which I'm sure the Mrs would be OK with too, but I'm not.

This might be blasphemous here, but I could probably live without subs. At least in my tower system. Don't get me wrong.

I have four subs in different systems. I guess it depends on how much you focus on low bass. I'm more into the chest slam than the rumble. Several months ago, all the talk about going sub-20Hz lead me to wonder - how low do theaters go. So I started searching for threads. From what I read on most of them, our home theaters go lower than the average commercial theater.

So I guess if the theater is low enough for you, you could probably get towers that come close to that. I couldn't go back to a center-less system though. Here's the I read. Serial Communication With Labview Tutorial Graphic Display.

I'm going to go back to the basics, assuming the decision to buy has not been made just yet. Auto Tune 7 Crack Mac N on this page. Stereo or Surround Sound - Decide. If this is primarily a Music system with secondary movies, then buy a music system, and by that I mean - a Stereo. A stereo will give you the best possible quality for a fixed budget.

However, if this is primarily a movie system, and you don't mind diluting your budget, then an AV system might make sense. Though if you don't intend to use Surround Sound, it seems a bit of a waste. Next, what is the Size of the Room?

(dimensions) Generally, the bigger the room, the bigger the speakers, though it is more complex than that. Next, believe it or not, for good full range tower speakers, you budget is pretty lean. Though for about $1000/ pr there are some fair choices out there. To get more focused on specific speaker, we would need some sense of the type of sound you want. Polk Audio has a couple large models that fit reasonably within your budget. Though fitting your budget doesn't mean you will like them.

Excellent price on the RTi-A7 speakers. The RTi series is one above the TXi series. Also, the Klipsch RF series.

Some people don't like the Horn drivers thinking they sound too tinny or too tizzy. Myself, I like horns; in the case of the Klipsch RF the high efficiency horn really cut through the clutter. I suspect they would be very good for movie watching for just that reason. High output - good bass. On the issue of bass, though it doesn't always hold true, it is generally consistent; if you want to estimate the -6db response, which is still very usable sound, subtract 5hz to 8hz from the rated -3db response. I would start with something like this, then decide later if you want to add a Center and a Sub. If you are not going to add a center and a Sub, there is little point in getting an AV Receiver.

But again that depends on specifically how you will use they system. In my case, Music is the highest priority, so I choose a music system, meaning a Stereo system, so I can concentrate my money on the best quality speakers and amps I can afford. Plus my movie watching is not really lacking. With my deepest speaker going down to 28hz at -6dB, I still get bass impact so strong I can feel the upholstery on my chair flex under the impact.

During 'Flags of our Fathers' I swear I could feel my hair ruffle and bullets whizzed past my head. So, consider your Priorities and Preferences? Consider how you will use the system? Consider whether it is worth it to get an AV amp if you are not going to have Surround Sound? Though of course, you could always change you mind on the Surround Sound aspect.

You might not want to start there, but eventually you may want to end up there. Consider that bigger speaker with larger drivers are going to give more impact to the sound, but there is a limit to how big you can go in any given room. You wouldn't put big 15' 3-way speakers into a small bedroom. Though there is great deal of flexibility there. What I am encouraging, is that you think long and hard about what it is you want to achieve in the end.

Myself, I'm perfectly content to watch movies in stereo. While at the same time understanding the encompassing enveloping sense that comer from Surround Sound. I just don't presonally think it is worth diluting my equipment to get it. When I win the Lottery, then I'll consider Surround Sound. When I can do it up right. Still that is just me. I use myself as an example of how my priorities guided my decisions.

But, for yourself, you'll have to make your own decision. The room is a bit of a problem: it's not really a room dedicated to listening or movie watching.

It's the living room area, setting up a 'corner' for movie watching. The area is fully open on one side to the dining area, then in the back fully open to a small area that leads to the front door of the house and then there are a couple more openings to the bedrooms. So it is very open and if I were to measure it I'd probably conclude that I need industrial strength gear. Movie watching (which is about 90% of the activity) will happen in a 'corner', I'm not looking to cover the entire area with sound, I guess I need more 'directed' sound if there is such a thing. I think I need an AVR rather than a stereo receiver for 2 reasons: it would allow me to add speakers in the future should I decide to and also I have a few HDMI sources and I like switching inputs via the AVR and not worry about a TV with enough inputs or buying an HDMI switch box. I'm starting to reach the conclusion that I should maybe start with a 2.0 setup, add a sub (or reuse the Def Tech ProSub 800 that I already have for now), add a center channel and then at some point when we paint maybe even put 2 surround speakers in ceiling.